Wednesday, March 18, 2009

Are We Ready For Women's Equality?

There is no dispute that women in India were given less than their due for most of the last millennium. There is no dispute that this inequality needed to be straightened out in Independent India. Again, there is no contention to the fact that the issue was social as much as legal.

In India, the status quo stayed simple for most of the last millennium: Women would be given virtually no regard in public life. At home they were given respect as masters of the home domain and the bearers of children.

Then came the British and ingrained ideas of "ladies-first" and chivalry into our social fabric.

Today, with women undoubtedly far ahead of where they stood in pre-Independence India, we arrive at two inevitable predicaments: 1. Equality vs. Chivalry 2. Discrimination vs. Reverse Discrimination.

On the first predicament:We're used to treating women with special respect and dignity. It's the gentlemanly thing to do. To let the ladies walk through first while you hold the door open for them, to wait while the ladies sit down first, to serve them first at dinner, to have a special queue for them at rail reservation counters etc etc. However when women are to be regarded as equal, all this is a confusing contradiction. Equality is essentially first-come-first-serve, not ladies-first. It entails an even platform for all the equal parties, in this case, men and women.

On the second predicament. We as a society are now well aware of the taboo that is discrimination against women. Not only that, we’re extremely wary of it. Woe betide anyone who says, does or feels anything that may be even remotely regarded as sexist. So great is our fear of being branded chauvinist that now we don't mind discriminating against men just so everyone is clear that we're on the politically correct side. A simple case of reverse discrimination.

Not convinced? This entry will now go on to explore a few scenarios where the above issues come starkly into view.

Consider now the issue of women's reservation. The overwhelming claim, from women everywhere is that they're equal and should be treated as much. That our laws and people should recognise the strength of the Indian woman and let her compete on an equal footing with her fellow male. Fair enough, but then on what grounds can we justify 33% reservation for women in educational institutes, jobs and government? Reservation by definition identifies a particular group as weaker/less developed and caters to help them out. It is, in its very concept, an unequal idea. Equality entails competing fairly with the rules of the game same for everyone. Reservation involves making things unequally easy for one group at the expense of another.

If we are to go ahead with reservation for women (which it seems we will), we brand them as unequal for all eternity. Not only that, other kinds of reservation have shown us that when we set reservation for women at 33% we will ensure that their participation in the reserved spheres will never go beyond 33% . That our idealistic figure of an equal 50-50 will never be achieved. Yet, statistics have it that a majority of women are in favour of reservation. Why? Is the demand for equality or special treatment?

Let’s now go on to infidelity laws in our country. As of now, a woman in India cannot be criminally charged with infidelity/adultery. Not even as an accomplice to the crime! In all cases of infidelity the woman is regarded as a victim and a victim only (Am I the only one who finds this outrageous?). So recently some good soul decided this was unequal and pushed for making the law more equal, such that even women who committed adultery could be subjected to criminal proceedings. What happened next? Women's rights groups all over the country were suddenly up in arms against the proposed change. Their contention was that this wouldn't solve the issue of infidelity and extra-marital affairs.
Firstly, I don't see how a law against infidelity will not serve to deter offenders. Secondly, even if it doesn't, how about we go through we go ahead with it because it's the fair and equal thing to do. Equality, isn't that why these women's rights groups exist in the first place anyway?

Let's come to the issue of equal employment opportunity now. At my college we recently had placements and internship selections. One of my friends applied to a global oil giant for an internship. A little background: The institute we study in has a 5% female population. The oil major who was selecting students apparently has a "very healthy male-female ratio". During the selections, my friend (an excellent debater) took charge of his group discussion session and gave it direction, meaning and coherence. The only other person who spoke during the entire GD session was another guy. At the end of it all, it turned out my friend didn't make it. Two ladies who were also part of the group however, made the cut. Like I said before, these ladies spoke nothing. Confused, my friend approached the interviewers. Which is when he was told about the "very healthy male-female ratio" and how it was essential to the company to maintain this to avoid coming off as "unequal".
Now let's analyse what really happened here, despite the blatant claim of equality made by this oil giant.
The college has 5% women and 95% men. Let's assume the applicants were in a similar ratio. Now the oil giant wants an "equal" number of men and women. So let's say for every hundred applicants they select 2. One male and one female. Since 95 of these hundred are guys, 1 guy gets selected out of 95. That makes his selection probability 1.05%. In the women's category however, 1 woman gets selected out of the 5. So the selection probability for a woman is 20%. This, apparently, is equality. It doesn't take much to see the very plain reverse discrimination here. Forgive the men for feeling just a little discriminated against.

Now let's analyse what is perhaps more important than any of the issues above. The matter of general attitudes towards women. Most of us are comfortable with the idea that men will take care of women. That they need taking care of. This manifests itself in daily life all the time. For example, it is customary for the guy to pay if a couple is out on a date. As another, we allow a separate queue for women at reservation counters.We have seating reserved for women on buses. All very gentlemanly, all very polite. Yet it is this very presumption of the "inherent weakness of women" that causes us so much grief. When society agrees that women must be taken care of by men, then it automatically implies that women will hardly be allowed to compete equally with them. That they may receive the love and affection a child gets, but never the mutual respect of an equal. In a much worse scenario, each time a woman is abused/molested/raped, it is a reflection of society's feeling that women are somehow less than men. Do we really want this to continue despite our urgent desire for equality?

When we talk of any equality, we have to accept that it cannot co-exist with special treatment. Moreover, what everyone needs to understand is that if we hope to achieve real equality, we have to oppose inequality at each instance, even when it favours us.

In summary, India has to make a choice. The choice between giving women a special place in society and letting them remain unequal or letting them become equal and removing many of the privileges that they currently enjoy. Essentially, we need to ask ourselves if we're really ready for real equality for women, and men.

16 comments:

Sud said...

Well written...

I think this is a really pertinent issue and you hit the nail right on its head.

D'Anachronys said...

Nice.

I think the ideology behind any reservation is okay, if justified by pre-existing inequality issues. The point of contention, though, is how long. With 60 years of reservation for scheduled castes and tribes, we still have no idea how long it will take for them to reach a "respectably equal" status, socially and economically.

In our institute, there is a special grievance redressal committee headed by an HSS professor. I happened to be there one day and found a nice gentleman with an expensive cellphone striding in to her office. His grievance was his mathematics course. He didn't want to do it. No, didn't want to drop it and do it later, didn't want to work harder at it, didn't want to discuss it out with his faculty advisor - just didn't want to do it. Fair enough, but give me a date and time after which I won't be slapped for mentioning this to someone.

Manasi Soni said...

All said and done,I'm not sure you would really want a large female population in your collg!
Jokes apart,I'm surprised I didn't fall asleep (given my history with blogs about 'issues').
Good job Sushant :)

PDez said...

Really well written!!
But the fact is that many women in India are still subject to traditions etc. and do not get the same opportunities as men. So if you're totally against reservation, how do you propose to give them equality. All these rules were formed keeping them in mind.

Sushant said...

@ tweety: the general principle behind reservation stands. However the case of women is distinctly different from that of other kinds of reservation because:

1. they're not a numerical minority
2. women all over the country have vastly varying backgrounds: economically, socially, financially. Reservation for those disadvantaged on these grounds already exists. Moreover since the conditions for women vary so vastly, it hardly makes sense to give the benefit of reservation to them under the sweeping category of gender.
The above two apart, reservation automatically introduces complacency into those being reserved, so with the proposed reservation, it is unreasonable to expect the competitiveness of women to go up to a truly equal level. It may uplift them higher than where they are, but it will definitely not let them become equal.


@priyanka:

before i come to what can be done, the real point of this entry is
1. u cannot compensate for years of discrimination by simply reversing the discrimination
2. that if ur really interested in equality, u cannot also have special priviliges.

as to what should be done:

1. since the big concern is discrimination against women, we need to come down hard on real discrimination. Not by discriminating back at men but by enforcing our anti-discrimination laws etc. How many people actually complain when eve-teasing happens. Most don't since the woman's dignity is more hurt even more by making a police case out of it. So the perpetrators dont get punished and so the practice continues. As society we need to stand up and make sure every eve-teaser/rapist/molester gets what he deserves. This will mean women will have to come out in the open and admit they have been victimised. Which is the price of equality.

2. We need to incentivise development for women rather than enforce it by reservation. (A simple example could be a small tax benefit for the education/ birth of a girl child.)
Incentivising development means people strive to achieve higher levels rather than be gifted benefits and become complacent

Anonymous said...

A near-flawless expression. And i have got to admit, that this post of yours saves me (and a lot of people) the bother of writing the same thoughts down. You've written precisely what we feel, and done so in a manner that we can only hope to match.

However,
On the second predicament. We as a society are now well aware of the taboo that is discrimination against women. Not only that, we’re extremely wary of it.

That's the only point that i can not agree on you with. Yes, the part of our soceity that we have grown up in and interacted with - that complies with your statement.
However, there's a whole world of men (and women alike) out there that have no comprehension of your line. Blinded by tradition, bogged down by an all-consuming social framework, and most-of-all, used to being treated as dirt by life.

The awarenes that you speak of might be there, in the back of everyone's minds, but there's a diffeence between "just a thought", and "thinking about something". Until that happens, and every common person feels the need for equality, i'm afraid, even the simplest measures that you propose can not be implemented (successfully).

Also, an additional thought, if i may.
In this case, maybe granting women that special status, and then withdrawing the privilege at a later moment is the way to go (maybe). What is critical is the period for which these privileges may be offered. In India, as with the other forms of Reservation, people have lost sight of the apt time for which these reservations should last, and as to how to work with the special circumstances while the reservations are in force.

When something has been treated like vermin for long, and near-crushed, to bring it back to 0 (level of equality), we need to work towards bringing it to +x. Since the improvement never does reach the intended aim, maybe they will get from -x to 0. Not all the way to +x. But yes, the minute we get to 0, we should phase out the special circumstances, and restore equilibrium, so that the unreserved entity does not fall into the relative negatives.
(i'm writing weird stuff, i know)

Maybe that's what we need to allow. Some reservation, and special dicta, but only for the apt amount of time.

neha said...

Very well written, and surprisingly something even I have thought of!

Though this would apply only to women who already have equal opportunities as men!

It is within the social fibre to discriminate, have a different attitude towards women and men. From where we come from it has luckily diminished to a negligent value only as far as opportunities are concerned. The attitude will still be different!

SO when you say that women who have been victimized should step forward and complain... the society as a whole will respect them for their guts... but tell me this... who will let their sons marry a girl who has been raped and has been known for it in the society...?!

Reservation etc. applicable for places where this does not apply.

I like idea of having incentives.. though if you have a school where say 20% of the seats are reserved for a particular SC class... The family has a son and a daughter. They will send their son and not their daughter saying that inspite of the incentive we are getting, our daughter will get in the way of the future of our family!

I am not saying the reservation system is ideal.. in fact far from it... but the solution we still don't have... untill then... hopefully this empowers women who need that support at some basic level, be it a seat in the administration or a seat in a village panchayat....or a seat in a rural school...

it needs to phase out slowly.. not drastically.. start with urban schools, buses etc etc.. one thing at a time...

and this goes for all reservation categories...

phase it out.. one thing at a time...

Sushant said...

@neha:

reservation will fall under legal change and most of whatever else u
speak of falls under social change for women. Lets not mix up the two,
lets indentify them seperately and analyse the following

A general note on reservation. Till now we have reserved communities
who can function within themselves and be glad for the proposed
development through reservation. When we propose reservation for
women, we cut across every household irrespective of cast, class,
community, social or economic standing for 50% of our population
(women). In this reservation for women is essentially different.

"From where we come from it has luckily diminished to a negligent
value only as far as opportunities are concerned"
-Agreed and there are numerous other places/social strata where this
has already happened. So when u offer reservation under the sweeping
category of gender, you extend the benefit to all these already
priviliged sections. A simple way to look at it is that the "creamy
layer" in women is extremely large.
Moreover that women need further development is not being denied. What
is being said is that since with women there is a real chance of
equality at some stage, reservation is not the way to make this happen
since reservation introduces complacency e.g. reservation for the
backward categories still cannot be removed because well they arent
filling out their 49.5% fully well yet, even after 60 years.
Reservation gives no incentive to the reserved parties to compete on
an equal level with the unreserved ones.
That women make up about 50% of the population and that they exist in
every house, in every community, in every social segment, everywhere
is also reason to not extend reservation just by virtue of womanhood.

"From where we come from it has luckily diminished to a negligent
value only as far as opportunities are concerned. The attitude will
still be different!"
-Absolutely. It will be different, perhaps even should. The only
contention is that these attitudes should not lead to different
standards in legal and moral issues e.g infedility in either case
should really be a crime.
Moreover, in no way can the attitude difference be healthy if one
section is always patronised and the other always regarded as the
weaker one. In no way can such an attitude lead to equality.

"who will let their sons marry a girl who has been raped and has been
known for it in the society...?!"
This is pertinent to the social change needed. As is obvious, no
amount of reservation can tackle this kind of problem
Equality cannot and will not happen without a large population
demandin it and working for it. If society (men and women, youn and
old) can't find it in itself to
1. stand up against crime against women
2. stand up for equality and marry a rape victim
then it probably shows we may not be ready for equality yet. That it
seems so obvious to you that marrying a rape victim is a near
impossibility is proof that in our heads we still havent identified
men and women as equal and thats exactly what this entry is about.
Whether in our heads we're ready for equality.

"though if you have a school where say 20% of the seats are reserved
for a particular SC class... The family has a son and a daughter. They
will send their son and not their daughter saying that inspite of the
incentive we are getting, our daughter will get in the way of the
future of our family!"
-Yes. And exactly why the real issue here is social. Parents may not
send women to school even if they are reserved . If you incentivise
the sending in the form of a real benefit, however, then they actually
gain from doing so. (Farm subsidy, tax cut whatever)

"I am not saying the reservation system is ideal.. in fact far from
it... but the solution we still don't have... untill then... hopefully
this empowers women who need that support at some basic level, be it a
seat in the administration or a seat in a village panchayat"

-Im saying that reservation will do exactly the opposite. It wont
empower them, it will send out the message that we dont really need to
do much to get those reserved seats so there's no urgent need for
development.

Unknown said...

I came to your blog when i searched for the Lokhandwala market. Good discovery. Well conceived.

I have a few points to make.

First, the 33 per cent reservation. Fifty-fifty is unachievable, right? At least, we can make a start with 33 per cent. And then on, women can take the battle on to the 50-50 ratio. So, if we fear, that we are being called a minority or that we are not equals or we are weaker forver, will never take us to the 50-50 mark, ever. No "tag" is for eternity.

I agree with you the the law side. The law favours the woman a lot. Specially some acts like 498A. Any wife can "screw" any husband under this act. It is unfair, most cases are false. It's a lethal weapon. And it is a sad reality.

Well about mannerisms. You can be equals but it is different when we talk about behaviour. Gentleman, please be gentlemen and do what's done. It does not mean we can't open the door etc, it is just being polite. Treating women like ladies would go only in your favour! ;)

I DISAGREE that men foot the bill or have to.

About your college, well, can't change company policy. And yeah, usually, the number of applications are in a 7:3 or 6:4 ratio. Check that up!

All in all, a great read. lots of room of conversation.

neha said...

our legal system is here to but support social order for 1...

i do not think equality is as widespread as you think for another...

changing the social order is what is necessary i agree.. that is not something i am arguing upon.

i think the reservation may still need to be there at very basic levels, if you consider early education in government institutions, running of a village constitution (where women will not be given place unless they have to be...) etc etc...

this will have to be complemented with a social reform, but you cannot out do it completely...

i agree with the rest of your post where women at the level of already equal opportunities do not need reservation (when it comes to jobs etc..)

you just wont know said...

A. Predicament 1:Equality vs.Chivalry
Chivalry is very individualistic in nature.more tahn 99.9% men in India ,i think,do not even know the meaning of the term.So,no such predicament exists.

B.Predicament 2:Discrimination vs Reverse Discrimination

"There is no dispute that this inequality needed to be straightened out in Independent India."
Exactly,equality exists amongst equals,so to bring the inequality to an end,reverse discrimination is and ought to be applied to straighten the situation or to bring about equality

RESERVATION FOR WOMEN IN LS AND STATE ASSEMBLIES

The Constitution amendment bill seeking to provide 33 per cent quota to women in Lok Sabha and state assemblies has been hanging fire for over a decade due to lack of unanimity. -march 5,2009.

RESERVATION FOR WOMEN IN PUBLIC TRANSPORT/BUSES etc.

is more an issue of safety than politics.its the most viable and practical solution to safeguard women from being gropen molested eve teased and harrased and no-one can technically object to it.

RESERVATION FOR WOMEN IN EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTES

agreed is an unnecessary act of politics and is no solution to the low literacy rates amongst females.
Merely reserving seats is not going to miraculously bring candidates wanting to apply for those reserved seats.when they are illiterate,they do not know their rights and henceforth,they wouldn't even be aware of the seats reserved for them.the best way forward would be social awakening and universalization of primary education and relaxation in fees for the minorities or other such encouraging scholarships for the target population.

INFEDILITY

Section 497. Adultery
is now being debated as unconstitutional because of its discriminatory nature,hence different commissions have given recommendations to treat adultery as a civil wrong/tort instead of a criminal wrong .Reccomendations have been made to treat adultery as a breach of trust and remove the criminal nature attached to the act,in furtherance of improving chances of marital harmony in such cases sinces the society is disinclined towards the high divorce rate.

:).nice debate.

Dolly.

Mudra said...

I think we've had this whole discussion once, so I'm not going to repeat anything at all, except to say that this is a well thought-out, clear post. And it's good to see you leave humour once in a while for the issues that really matter to you.

Sushant said...

thanks ya'll.
its obvious way more people give this issue thought than i had anticipated, going by the long comments and various viewpoints from everyone :)

Men's Rights said...

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Vinit Atal said...

I myself was of the view that the preferential attitude towards women is creating a reverse discrimination of sorts and at one time not very long ago, was ready to pen a post not very different from this one. However, a recent epiphany that I had made me realise that the irony in the Equality v/s Chivalry argument is apparent only from a very pedantic point of view. If one is very fastidious, there is a very obvious logical contradiction. This opinion could stem because of the kind of circles we city-slickers move about in, where women are already on a level footing with men, but it should be realised that these women actually represent a very miniscule fraction of the total female population in the country...

Shreya said...

I know I am commenting more than a year late but this is when I happened to chance upon your blog.

Being a feminist (not the bra burning kinds) and studying in a girl's college I have though about all of the issues you have tackled. I agree with you on all accounts.

There are women though (as has been pointed out in the various comments by them) who think differently. The issue that irks me the most is the 33% reservation for women at the parliament. With this reservation we know that most of the women who do get elected won't deserve the position and will serve as mouthpieces for male relatives. Even though I do agree with the whole equality and no need for chivalry in society stand, it is necessary to realise where most of the decisions of the government has been coming from. Women as a group like dalits have been discriminated against since ages and unlike dalits this discrimination continues till date, Though not apparent to those of us living in the city and in an open minded environment. It is for this women that these reservations are made. But as is the case with every policy made by our government the fruits are being reaped by those who don;t need such policies. Like the free education for a single girl child scheme, wealthy families who can well afford a private education eat into the government funds.
What these policies lack is direction so that those who need this push by the government can benefit.